Mrs. Grant. No, sir.

Mr. Hubert. Now, do you know a person by the name of Elsie Johnson?

Mrs. Grant. Oh, yes.

Mr. Hubert. How do you know her?

Mrs. Grant. Well, 8 or 9 years ago she was in the building business with my brother, Sam. Before that—she was a commercial artist.

Mr. Hubert. How did you meet her—when did you meet her?

Mrs. Grant. When I first came here, and honest to God, this is one person I can’t tell you even how I met her.

Mr. Hubert. When you first came here—when do you mean?

Mrs. Grant. I would say 20 years ago.

Mr. Hubert. 1944—probably?