Mr. Ruby. Well, outside of that difference we had about the club, he used to come over and visit us for the Jewish holidays and sometimes we would invite him over for an evening to dinner.

Mr. Hubert. On the average, how often did you see him a year, for instance?

Mr. Ruby. Well, I would see him, oh, maybe anywhere from three to six times a year.

Mr. Hubert. Did you have other contacts with him by phone or otherwise?

Mr. Ruby. Yes; we talked to him on the phone on different occasions. There was nothing important—I mean—just about maybe something about his family or how he was doing or inquire about the children.

Mr. Hubert. What about your relationship with his sister, Mrs. Eva Grant?

Mr. Ruby. Well, I have seen her more often and we are off and on like brothers and sisters and we argue at different times and maybe in a week or so we’ll forget about it and make up. She has her own views on things.

Mr. Hubert. Did you have occasion to see Jack during the period September 25 through November 24, 1963?

Mr. Ruby. September—you say?

Mr. Hubert. Yes.