Mr. Crafard. No; that is what I say. I am not positive of the fact who it was he was having trouble with.
Mr. Griffin. Are you sure that Ruby went to get the gun because he was having trouble with somebody?
Mr. Crafard. Yes; he had had some trouble with somebody and he had sent me to get the gun.
Mr. Griffin. You stated that the gun was believed to be the property of Howard?
Mr. Crafard. Yes.
Mr. Griffin. The Negro employee, and I am reading that from page 149. Is it still your understanding that that gun was Howard’s gun?
Mr. Crafard. Yes.
Shortly after I went to work for Jack he told me or Howard told me that when he first went to work for Jack he had three or four different guns and he had permits for his pistols, and on a couple of occasions the law forces confiscated his pistols and later returned them, and he was afraid this might happen again and he wouldn’t get this particular pistol back so Jack asked him if he could borrow the gun and he told Jack yes; he could use the gun as long as he wanted.
Mr. Griffin. Did Jack ever say anything to you which indicated that the gun was not Jack Ruby’s gun?
Mr. Crafard. No.