Mr. Griffin. Did you talk to Howard about the gun that Jack Ruby had at any time after you went down to the car on the 14th or 15th of November to bring the gun up to Jack?

Mr. Crafard. No; I don’t believe so.

Mr. Griffin. Did you ever talk specifically with Howard about the gun that Jack was carrying around in the trunk of his car?

Mr. Crafard. Yes; this was the gun our conversation was about. He said that gun had belonged, it was his gun, that he had loaned it to Mr. Ruby.

Mr. Griffin. Do you remember what kind of a .38 caliber revolver this was?

Mr. Crafard. I believe it was a Colt. Other than that I couldn’t say. It was a snubnosed revolver, Colt snubnosed is all I know.

Mr. Griffin. Was there anything distinguishing about the handle?

Mr. Crafard. I couldn’t describe anything distinguishable about the handle, but I believe I could recognize the revolver if I was to see it. Excuse me, that handle was an, I believe an imitation bone handle on that pistol. I believe it was kind of a grayish-white imitation bone handle with dark brown spots on it.

Mr. Griffin. You testified that you believe Little Lynn called sometime on Friday evening, November 22?

Mr. Crafard. Yes.