Mr. Senator. I lived on handouts.

Mr. Hubert. Tell us about it.

Mr. Senator. I lived on handouts. When I mentioned these boys here and I was living on handouts with them. In other words, I used to cook for them and wash dishes and things of that nature. I was really depressed, extremely depressed and down and out, and they slipped me five, three, two, whatever it was, and I helped them along in the house there and they kept me for a while.

Mr. Hubert. You did not pay any part of the rent?

Mr. Senator. No.

Mr. Hubert. And that is true for that whole 2½-year period?

Mr. Senator. It wasn’t two and a half. I would say it was approximately a year and a half, to my knowledge. I don’t think it was 2½ years.

Mr. Griffin. You went from Smoler Brothers to Rhea directly?

Mr. Senator. No, no; I say I had the odd jobs directly.

Mr. Griffin. Now, how much time was there between Smoler Brothers and Rhea?