Mr. Hubert. Yes.
Mr. Senator. I couldn’t quote that. I couldn’t even quote it.
Mr. Griffin. Can I interrupt you here Mr. Hubert? How did you happen to come to terminate your employment with Volume Sales?
Mr. Senator. You have got to know the man. He is a hard guy to work for. He was really a tough guy to work for. You see, No. 1, he is a salesman himself, and he is a pretty shrewd salesman, and he had Volume Sales, which were novelty, sort of novelty and gift item type things.
Mr. Griffin. What kind of things?
Mr. Senator. Novelties? Well that would be variations. In other words, you probably have seen these little things with different sayings on them. Remember the little miniature loving cups with the different sayings on them? Things of this nature, and other gag items and key chains and little bar sets and little weather sets and things of that nature, and funny matches. Just a variation of those things of that nature. And when I traveled for him and I’d get back to town, he would knock me off $50. In others words, my draw wasn’t stable with him.
Mr. Griffin. When you first started to visit the Sovereign Club, as you say Jack would let you in, I take it you didn’t have membership in the Sovereign Club?
Mr. Senator. No; because I think at the Sovereign Club I probably attended that place maybe three or four times or something like that.
Mr. Griffin. Was Mr. Ruby running the same kind of shows at the Sovereign Club that he later had at the Carousel?
Mr. Senator. Oh, no; he was running acts, you know, he had acts, singers or dancers or comedians, something of that nature you know.