Mr. Hubert. That was about 2 years ago or prior to that?
Mr. Senator. No; that was while I was still with Volume Sales. In other words, that was, I would say, approximately about 2½ years ago. I used to go up to the Sovereign Club; you know it is a private club; they don’t let you in normally, but he used to let me in to watch the show.
Mr. Hubert. Do you remember actually when that opened?
Mr. Senator. Which?
Mr. Hubert. The Sovereign.
Mr. Senator. No.
Mr. Hubert. Do you remember when it changed from the Sovereign to the Carousel?
Mr. Senator. I wasn’t around for the change, but I would say that it was over 2 years ago. Now just how much over, I don’t know.
Mr. Hubert. Would you concur in the suggestion that it would be approximately Christmas of 1961, which would be about 2 years and 5 or 6 months?
Mr. Senator. That it changed to the Carousel?