Mr. Hubert. Mr. Senator, we have had about a 10-minute recess. You understand, of course, that we are continuing this deposition by the same authority and under the same conditions which I stated to you at the very beginning of it, and further that you are under the same oath that you were prior to the recess. Is that agreeable with you? You understand that?
Mr. Senator. I can’t lie because I didn’t bring a lawyer with me.
Mr. Hubert. What?
Mr. Senator. I said I am not lying because I didn’t bring a lawyer with me.
Mr. Hubert. So that the record may be clear on the point, I want to see if I understand your last remark. Does it indicate that you wish to have a lawyer?
Mr. Senator. No.
Mr. Hubert. I just wanted to get it straight.
Mr. Senator. I say that I didn’t come here to lie; so I don’t need a lawyer.
Mr. Hubert. All right, now we are at the point about 2 years ago when a casual relationship which you have described with Ruby changed into something else. Why don’t you just tell us about that in your own words?
Mr. Senator. All right. I mentioned before Volume Sales. When I got through with Volume Sales I was unemployed again, and I used to jump up to Jack’s place, his other place, which is the Carousel. Previous to that there was the Sovereign Club, a private club. On rare occasions I used to go up there and we started getting a little more friendly.