Mr. Senator. Yes, but there was no kicking.
Mr. Griffin. I want to ask you about this. I take it this was not a prolonged thing. Jack hit him once and that was it?
Mr. Senator. No, no; there were probably six or eight blows swapped. But I would say Jack got most of the blows in.
Mr. Griffin. And this guy swung. What caused Jack to stop? Did somebody pull him off?
Mr. Senator. Yes; they stopped it. They stopped it and pulled off.
Mr. Griffin. This episode at the Carousel that you saw, you say you didn’t actually see any blows thrown at the Carousel. You came in at the tail end of it.
Mr. Senator. No; I would say, see, there is an archway; in other words, it is going up a flight of steps.
Mr. Griffin. Yes.
Mr. Senator. And at the flight of steps the doors open and then there is a walk in, you know, an archway. It is almost like in a closed archway which is maybe about 20 or 25 steps. Well, around the L shape of it I didn’t see.
Mr. Griffin. Could you tell from where you were how many blows were thrown?