Mr. Senator. No.
Mr. Griffin. How long did this last?
Mr. Senator. It didn’t last long because there must have been one or two blows and that was it.
Mr. Griffin. Did anybody come in and break that up?
Mr. Senator. I don’t know what happened. I just don’t remember what happened there. I think he knocked him down. I’m not sure. I think he knocked him down with that blow.
Mr. Griffin. Did Jack accomplish his purpose?
Mr. Senator. There was a few people gathered around and the next thing I think they took him down or something like that. I don’t know. I just don’t recall what happened on that particular incident but I do know that something did happen at the time where this fellow I think he was drunk. I really don’t know if he was. I think he was.
Mr. Griffin. Have you ever talked with Jack about what his attitude is about using his fists?
Mr. Senator. No; this, which I don’t know too much about his youth, it probably comes from the bringing up of his youth, the poverty that the family went through. His father was a habitual drunkard, of which I have heard, and the separations of the family and they lived in a cold water flat and the only way I’m familiar of something of this nature is what I have seen in motion pictures of past years of this.
Mr. Griffin. I want you to tell me now if you think I am wrong. I am going to suggest this to you and I want to know if this is a fair evaluation.