Mr. Griffin. You say you went into business for yourself?

Mr. Rubenstein. Right.

Mr. Griffin. What business did you go into then?

Mr. Rubenstein. Same business, ribbons.

Mr. Griffin. Were these sold to floral customers?

Mr. Rubenstein. Right. The same customers I had before.

Mr. Griffin. When did you begin to work for the Davidson-Uphoff Co.?

Mr. Rubenstein. Last month.

Mr. Griffin. I see. So between approximately last January and last month or January 1963 and last month, you were employed for yourself, is that correct?

Mr. Rubenstein. Practically.