Mr. Griffin. Do you remember—let me ask you this. You did have occasion to meet Jack Ruby while you were in Dallas?
Mr. Pappas. Yes.
Mr. Griffin. Now, do you recall seeing Jack Ruby at any time before the press conference that Henry Wade held on Friday night?
Mr. Pappas. No; I did not meet him before.
Mr. Griffin. Do you remember a reporter from one of the Washington newspapers by the name of O’Leary?
Mr. Pappas. No; not by name. Perhaps by sight.
Mr. Griffin. I ask you this because in talking with O’Leary, O’Leary had the recollection that he met Ruby with you on the third floor of the Dallas Police Department sometime before the press conference, and he thought it was in the vicinity of the public elevators. Do you recall anything like that?
Mr. Pappas. I don’t recall that; no. If this incident happened, if O’Leary is right about the person that he was with, I don’t remember it. Perhaps somebody—I don’t even know who it was that I was with that night. There was a lot of confusion. If this person was Jack Ruby, he didn’t do anything that would make that occurrence stick in my mind.
Mr. Griffin. I might be able to identify O’Leary, a little better for you, by indicating that he explained to us that on Sunday you and he had worked out a procedure whereby you figured out whether you could, by running, beat the elevator from the third floor down to the basement. As I recall his explanation, he said that you rode on the elevator and he ran down the stairs, and you two found that he could run down the stairs before the elevator could get down there. Do you remember that episode?
Mr. Pappas. No; I don’t. I think O’Leary has me mistaken for someone else. I don’t recall that at all.