Mr. Griffin. Well, did you station yourself permanently up on the third floor, or were you throughout the building the day that you were there, on Saturday?
Mr. Pappas. Well, we were throughout the building; yes. I was, I would say, all over the building.
Mr. Griffin. Did you see Jack Ruby at all at the police department on Saturday?
Mr. Pappas. No.
Mr. Griffin. Can you tell us what security precautions you observed being taken when you were at the police department on Saturday, first of all with respect to the admission of newspaper people onto the third floor?
Mr. Pappas. They were following the same procedure, posting a man, two men, sometimes three men, at the elevator doors, and checking, I suppose the credentials of the people who came in.
Mr. Griffin. Were your credentials checked on Saturday?
Mr. Pappas. Yes. I wear my police badge in a situation like that, or the New York City press card, which is issued by the police department, so that it was visible all the time. They had checked it. So I suppose they didn’t want to check it again, I am not sure.
Mr. Griffin. Was Lee Oswald moved at any time through the third floor hallway when you were there?
Mr. Pappas. Yes.