Mr. Griffin. I might ask you right now then if you recall what—generally what were the contents of these various tapes which you gave the FBI?
Mr. Pappas. I gave them only one tape—the tape in the hallway, and the actual shooting of Oswald by Ruby. It was all on one reel.
Mr. Griffin. After Oswald got past you up there on the third floor, what did you do?
Mr. Pappas. I went down to the basement.
Mr. Griffin. Ran down the stairs?
Mr. Pappas. Yes.
Mr. Griffin. And about how long before Oswald emerged from the jail office was it that you arrived down there in the basement?
Mr. Pappas. Roughly a minute.
Mr. Griffin. And what did you see happen as Oswald came out?
Mr. Pappas. Oswald came out. There were two detectives on either side of him. Captain Fritz was leading the way. There were other detectives behind him. Detectives behind, both walls from the exit to the jail, the basement walls. Oswald came right past me, and I did as many of us did throughout those 2 days, I shouted a question at him. And then I noticed a black blur, and I noticed a bang—I heard a bang, rather, I recall a flash, and then pandemonium.