Mr. Griffin. Did you hear Jack Ruby say anything as he moved toward Oswald?
Mr. Pappas. No.
Mr. Griffin. Did you think if he had said something, that you would have heard it?
Mr. Pappas. It depends on how loudly he said it. If he whispered it, certainly I could not hear it.
Mr. Griffin. But if he had spoken in a normal voice?
Mr. Pappas. If he had spoken in a normal voice—that would be difficult for me to tell. I could not say if he spoke in a normal voice. If he shouted something at him, I would say that I could have heard it.
Mr. Griffin. Well, were you able to hear Oswald’s groan or response as he was hit?
Mr. Pappas. Yes.
Mr. Griffin. How did the volume of that response compare to somebody speaking in a normal voice? Was it an extremely loud sound that he made, or don’t you have any recollection?
Mr. Pappas. Well, an extremely loud sound—it is hard for me to estimate what is loud and what is not. It is very vague.