Mr. Griffin. Well, describe it in your own words.

Mr. Pappas. It was like an expulsion of air, a gasp. It was audible from where I was. I heard him. If I said it was loud, I don’t know whether it would mean anything to you.

Mr. Griffin. You can make a statement like that and then maybe you can——

Mr. Pappas. It didn’t throw my head back or anything like that. I have been blasted by loud sounds. But this was an audible sound.

Mr. Griffin. Were other people speaking and shouting at the time?

Mr. Pappas. At the time of what?

Mr. Griffin. At the time this gasp came out?

Mr. Pappas. No. There were people—I imagine there was a slight din. But I noticed distinctly that the shot went off, and there was a cold moment of silence, and then the gasp. It was a very quick split-second thing. But there were these two moans that I heard.

Mr. Griffin. Of course, I have not listened to the tape yet and that might answer many of the questions.

Mr. Pappas. I think that would help a lot.