Mr. McCullough. Yes.
Mr. Griffin. Have you ever actually seen the hat that Ruby was wearing on Sunday?
Mr. McCullough. No; just from my view, there again, that I had in the garage at the time of the shooting. I have never actually seen the hat to examine it as such.
Mr. Pollak. Could we ask Mr. McCullough about the movements the man actually made who did shoot Oswald?
Mr. Griffin. I wasn’t going to ask him the question, because we have the films. But if you have a question, Mr. Pollak, go ahead and ask him.
Mr. Pollak. You did observe Ruby step forward and shoot Oswald?
Mr. McCullough. Yes; I saw a man in effect move out of the line of people along the ramp, and, frankly, at first I thought he was a photographer who was disobeying the instructions against any movement. And then I saw his arm come up, and I momentarily wondered whether he was going to try to shake hands with someone there. Then I saw the flash of metal in his hand—there, again, under these tremendously bright lights. And I saw, or heard the shot, heard a shot, saw a flash of flame against Oswald’s sweater. And then there was complete confusion in the garage area. There were policemen actually throwing themselves, sliding along the tops of the parked automobiles to get at the scene of this melee that was underway there.
Mr. Pollak. Could you tell us, Mr. McCullough, where this man, Ruby, was in the garage when he first came to your attention?
Mr. McCullough. Well, the first time I noticed him at all is when he detached himself from the crowd, in other words when he walked forward from the crowd along the ramp.
Mr. Pollak. You did not see him, observe him moving into that crowd at any time?