Mr. Rubenstein. Yes, sir; worried about his dogs. I figured that was odd. Here is a man incarcerated, in prison for a shooting and here he is worried about his dogs and that didn’t make any sense to me.
You know, there was no logic there. I can understand how a man can be in love with a dog or dogs but why bring it up at a time like that.
Mr. Griffin. You indicated to me that you saw him during the trial or after the trial?
Mr. Rubenstein. Oh, yes.
Mr. Griffin. How many times did you see him in the course of the trial?
Mr. Rubenstein. Wait a minute. In the course of the trial, I couldn’t see him in the courtroom but we saw him in the evening, I think—I think we were allowed to see him in the evening, I think. I am not sure. I don’t want to make a statement I am going to be responsible for because I can’t—I think we saw him in the evening. Yes; I think we saw him in the evening, after the trial. I think the hours were from 7:30 to 8:30 and the sheriff was very nice. He let all of us go up one time, the family.
Mr. Griffin. Were you allowed in his jail cell?
Mr. Rubenstein. Oh, no; outside, through that little piece of glass only.
Mr. Griffin. Would you describe that cell? Is there any other, is it possible to see out other than through that glass?
Mr. Rubenstein. See what out?