Mr. Griffin. If you are inside were there any other windows, could you look in through the glass and see windows or anything in that cell?
Mr. Rubenstein. No; it is inside. It is inside the center. It is one of these rooms that are inside, see. It is a separate room. It is not his room. It is like a visiting room that they bring him in from another part of the building into this particular room.
Mr. Griffin. So you didn’t see the cell that he was in?
Mr. Rubenstein. His own personal cell?
Mr. Griffin. Yes.
Mr. Rubenstein. No.
Mr. Griffin. Are you able to see anything of the prisoner other than through this glass, this 6-inch glass?
Mr. Rubenstein. Just about up to here is all you can see.
Mr. Griffin. You are indicating about the middle of your chest.
Mr. Rubenstein. That is all.