Mr. Dowe. No more than 3 to 5 minutes—3 minutes.

Mr. Griffin. Did you have any occasion to hear about Ruby between that time when you first met him and the time that you came in contact with him after the President was shot?

Mr. Dowe. Yes; I did. I heard that he came around the station frequently and that he was always inviting the diskjockeys up to his club, and that if I were to go up there, he would probably give me all the free drinks I wanted and be very nice to me.

Mr. Griffin. Did he ever give you a membership card or pass to the Carousel Club?

Mr. Dowe. No; not a pass. I don’t recall him ever giving me anything. No; not a pass.

Mr. Griffin. Is there any other reason that would give you occasion to remember your first meeting with Jack Ruby?

Mr. Dowe. None other than the fact that it was one of the first few days I was there. It was on that occasion that I met him. And also I was told that he was known around the station for procuring women for different people who came to town; record promoters. And this was a fact, and I was a little amazed at this, but nonetheless, that is what I know about him.

Mr. Griffin. When were you told this?

Mr. Dowe. At the same time.

Mr. Griffin. On the occasion that you first met him?