Mr. Hansen. The down steps are narrow, about 10-foot wide, and the steps that go up are about 40 feet.
Mr. Griffin. Along this sidewalk that stretches in front of the up and down steps, where was it that you saw Ruby? Where was he standing?
Mr. Hansen. Well, I can draw you a little diagram.
Mr. Griffin. Let me give you a sheet of paper and you just draw.
Mr. Hansen. Maybe that would help. This is the city hall. This is a square building. This is Main Street right here and this is Harwood Street runs right here.
Mr. Griffin. Why don’t you mark Harwood so that we know?
Mr. Hansen. This is Harwood and this is Main right here. Now, right here in the middle of the block, this is these wide steps that go up right here. They go up this way.
Mr. Griffin. You have marked on there—I am going to sort of repeat this for the record so that the person reading can understand what is happening.
Mr. Hansen. These are the steps right here.
Mr. Griffin. You are indicating on the Main Street side?