Mr. Hansen. No; on the Harwood Street.
Mr. Griffin. But on the Main Street side of the Harwood entrance? In other words, towards Main Street there is a set of down steps that go down?
Mr. Hansen. About 10-foot wide. They go down like this, and underneath the steps, and then you go in the doorway. You want to know where I saw Ruby?
Mr. Griffin. That’s right.
Mr. Hansen. When I came across the street and turned to come down this way——
Mr. Griffin. Let me state for the record, you are drawing on this map that you were on Main Street, and you walked across Harwood Street toward the police station.
Mr. Hansen. I was walking east on Main Street across Harwood on the sidewalk and at that time I turned south on Harwood to go down to the entrance to go down in the basement of the city hall. As I approached the down steps to go down to the basement of the city hall on the Harwood Street side, I got about 8 or 10 feet from the north side of the steps and there is where I saw Jack.
Mr. Griffin. Was anybody standing there with Jack?
Mr. Hansen. At the time that he spoke to me, there was several people up and down the sidewalk, and I think there was a uniform policeman and maybe two detectives standing along there talking to one another. I couldn’t tell you who it was, because I see it every day. I had no reason to make a special occasion to remember it, but I do remember there was somebody else along there.
Mr. Griffin. Was Jack standing talking to them or was Jack separated?