Mr. Bellocchio. Oh, perhaps, 5, 8 or 10 minutes. There were other people around though.
Mr. Hubert. How did Apple get into the conversation?
Mr. Bellocchio. Well, Tom and I, before——
Mr. Hubert. “Tom” is Mr. Apple, right?
Mr. Bellocchio. Mr. Apple, right. Mr. Apple and I had been sitting at the bar and we were both naturally very upset about the President’s assassination. I was on this day very emotional myself, and in a sense, I was holding Dallas responsible for the assassination of the President. Tom disagreed with me. We were discussing this at the bar. Then, I walked towards the rear of Sol’s Turf Bar and somehow I got involved in a conversation with Ruby.
Mr. Hubert. Well, suppose you tell us about that conversation between you and Ruby first. What was the nature of it and what subjects were discussed?
Mr. Bellocchio. I believe I told Ruby that much of what had happened, Dallas could take the responsibility for.
Mr. Hubert. What was his attitude toward that position?
Mr. Bellocchio. His attitude toward that—he was very incoherent. He was agreeing with me and he was disagreeing with me.
Mr. Hubert. Was he under the influence of liquor?