Mr. Bellocchio. Tom Apple and myself—how did we become separated?
Mr. Hubert. Yes—from Ruby? In other words, Ruby came in after you were in there, is that correct?
Mr. Bellocchio. I don’t know whether Ruby was in there when I came in or whether he came in afterwards. I didn’t see him enter or leave. He was there.
Mr. Hubert. Did he come up to you and talk or did you go to him?
Mr. Bellocchio. I believe I walked towards the rear of Sol’s Turf Bar and Ruby said “Hello” to me.
Mr. Hubert. And then did you engage him in a conversation?
Mr. Bellocchio. There was considerable confusion. I don’t remember whether I engaged him or he engaged me.
Mr. Hubert. Was Apple present when you first saw him?
Mr. Bellocchio. Apple was sitting at the bar. When I first saw Ruby—Apple was not with me, and to my knowledge Apple had never met and did not know Ruby.
Mr. Hubert. So you spoke to Ruby alone, then, about how many minutes?