Mr. Johnston. Something like “It’s horrible, isn’t it horrible?” or something of that nature.

Mr. Hubert. That was to you yourself?

Mr. Johnston. To me and to Mr. Henry Wade, the district attorney of Dallas County.

Mr. Hubert. That was after Oswald had been removed?

Mr. Johnston. That was after Oswald had been removed. He came up shortly after one of the newspaper media had just finished interviewing Mr. Henry Wade. He was standing behind that person during the interview and when he finished that was when he introduced himself, both to Henry Wade and to me.

Mr. Hubert. Then, did he make any comment?

Mr. Johnston. Just this—“It’s horrible” or “Isn’t this awful” or something to that effect.

Mr. Hubert. What was his general demeanor or attitude?

Mr. Johnston. I personally would say that the man had control of himself, that he did not seem to me that he was away out in space or anything like that; he was coherent.

Mr. Hubert. Did he seem to be grieving?