Mr. Hubert. Was Russ Moore with him then at that time?

Mr. McCurdy. I can’t remember. Now, I get the feeling that Russ went down with me to open the door, and the more I think about it, I’m not exactly sure that he did.

Mr. Hubert. You said that was about 20 minutes after the phone call?

Mr. McCurdy. Right. I would say sometime before 1 o’clock, around a quarter to 1.

Mr. Hubert. You testified a minute ago, I think, that you thought the phone call was about 12:20, so this would have been 12:40 or 12:45?

Mr. McCurdy. Right; correct.

Mr. Hubert. How long did he stay?

Mr. McCurdy. To my knowledge Jack stayed, maybe an hour or maybe longer. After our conversation ended, I didn’t really take note of whether Jack was still in there or not—he was kind of a hanger-on.

Mr. Hubert. You didn’t talk to him but just these few minutes?

Mr. McCurdy. The two times I talked to him—once in the hall and in the control room.