Mr. Hubert. Do you remember whether he was there when Glenn Duncan went on his 2 o’clock news broadcast?

Mr. McCurdy. I can’t remember—I really can’t remember. I’ll tell you—there was a diversionary action going on and I was paying attention to this Pappas, what’s his name, that was from WNEW. Of course, all of us in markets the size of Dallas are always interested in larger markets like New York and Chicago, and I was kind of watching him, and so it threw part of my attention off of Jack on to him.

Mr. Hubert. Do you know what a thing called an Alpawna [spelling] A-l-p-a-w-n-a box is?

Mr. McCurdy. A what?

Mr. Hubert. An Alpawna box?

Mr. McCurdy. Alpawna box—no; I don’t. I have no idea.

Mr. Hubert. I don’t either.

Mr. McCurdy. Apparently, if it was of any size, he didn’t have it on him, because as I testified to the FBI agent, he didn’t look like he had a gun on him of any kind. Of course, he may have.

Mr. Hubert. Do you know how he was dressed?

Mr. McCurdy. Yes; he had on to my recollection a dark charcoal business suit with a matching dark tie and with dark shoes and a dark hat with a little funny band on it.