Mr. Hubert. Was Miss Georgia Mayor or Mrs. Georgia Mayor there, or do you remember?

Mr. Newnam. I believe she was—yes, she was.

Mr. Hubert. Now, can you describe just how you first obtained information that the President had been shot or that there had been any shooting or any rumors or extraordinary events along those lines. How did the news come to you, and where were you?

Mr. Newnam. I was sitting at Mr. Bates’ desk.

Mr. Hubert. That’s No. 22?

Mr. Newnam. That’s No. 22.

Mr. Hubert. That’s of Exhibit No. 4.

Mr. Newnam. When Mr. Coley, with several other members of the staff, I believe Mr. Mulkey was with him, and I don’t recall any others—came back and said on entering the office that the President had been shot—that there had been a shooting.

Mr. Hubert. About what time was that?

Mr. Newnam. This—I would place it—approximately 12:45.