Mr. Hubert. Then, did you walk over with him to Mr. Jeffery’s office where the television set was?

Mr. Newnam. We made several trips over there. As a matter of fact, he was over there at times when I was doing some work, and it was just a matter of back and forth. In other words, the promotion people were listening and everybody was trying to figure out what was going on—there was general confusion all over the office.

Mr. Hubert. I don’t suppose that everybody was in Mr. Jeffery’s office, but that some were looking through the glass?

Mr. Newnam. There were a number inside and most of them outside because the offices—the nature of the office—its size—would prohibit everyone getting inside.

Mr. Hubert. What was Ruby’s attitude throughout this period?

Mr. Newnam. His attitude was that of most everyone else—I would say of everyone else—the attitude of disbelief, an emotional upset, I would say.

Mr. Hubert. Was he crying?

Mr. Newnam. I never noticed he was crying; no, sir. This was brought out when I was questioned before, but I don’t recall that he was.

Mr. Hubert. Now, do you recall—I think you stated in here—that he called up his sister, and had you listen to her—where did that take place?

Mr. Newnam. This took place at my desk.