Mr. Hubert. How do you fix that, sir?
Mr. Newnam. I fix that from the standpoint that he paid me some money for some ads he had run a few days before or a day before and he didn’t have enough money to pay me for the ad he was running the next day, so I just made the remark “I’ll see you next week,” which was routine in fact, and he said—he just nodded and said, “yes,” and he walked on out the door. I place that time also by the fact that——
Mr. Hubert. Now, before you leave that—that paying of the money doesn’t of itself, as I understand it, fix the time unless you relate it to something else?
Mr. Newnam. No; I’m relating it to you because that was the last transaction we had. That was the last time I saw Jack. Immediately thereafter there were a number of us who were getting together to try to figure out where we might go to have lunch and it was before 2 o’clock because our cafeteria closes ordinarily at 2 o’clock, and we finally wound up going to the cafeteria eating a light lunch. This is how I place the time—approximately.
Mr. Hubert. Then the last dealing you had with Ruby was the payment of the money?
Mr. Newnam. Yes.
Mr. Hubert. In point of time you think that was approximately 20 minutes prior to the 2 o’clock shutdown of the cafeteria?
Mr. Newnam. Approximately; yes, sir.
Mr. Hubert. In other words, when you got to the cafeteria it was about to close?
Mr. Newnam. Really, I don’t know whether they were going to close that day or not. I’ll be real frank with you—it ordinarily does at 2 o’clock; yes, sir.