Mr. Hubert. Can you place the time of his departure relative to the time that you first heard that the President was dead?

Mr. Newnam. That might be a little difficult to do.

Mr. Hubert. Well, let’s approach it this way: Is it your recollection that he was present when the announcement came that the President was dead?

Mr. Newnam. Yes; I’m sure he was in the office.

Mr. Hubert. Is there anything that fixes it in your mind that way, so that you are able to say “I’m sure he was there”?

Mr. Newnam. The only thing that would fix it would be the fact that the announcement was made, but I don’t even recall what time the announcement was made now. I may be assuming that he was there.

Mr. Hubert. Do you remember any reaction of his to the fact of the President’s death? You see, there was first the announcement of the shooting?

Mr. Newnam. Yes.

Mr. Hubert. And then there was the Tippit shooting and then ultimately of course came the announcement of the President’s death. Is there any recollection in your mind as to his reaction to that ultimate announcement of the death?

Mr. Newnam. No specific; no, sir.