Mr. Saunders. Right—this was upon my entering the office there—I went directly to my desk and spoke to him, and he just had a very dazed staring look on his face. To describe it further is a little bit hard to do.

Mr. Hubert. He didn’t say anything?

Mr. Saunders. No; not to my knowledge. Due to the fact that each of us were speaking to one another in tones of remorse and he was certainly replying just like any of the others, in agreement, that it was a terrible event.

Mr. Hubert. At that time, was it known that the President had been shot?

Mr. Saunders. Yes.

Mr. Hubert. It was not known, I take it, that the President had died?

Mr. Saunders. No. There was some—there were rumors around, possibly 30 or 45 minutes later, that he was dead, but it was not officially noted possibly for another hour or possibly an hour and a half.

Mr. Hubert. Now, perhaps you had better go over some of the other question marks you have—returning to the third paragraph?

Mr. Saunders. Well, in this sentence, “When Saunders first saw him, Saunders felt that Ruby was probably more shook up than any of the other people in the office at that time.” I don’t feel that he was necessarily “more shook up” than anyone else, but he was very obviously shaken by the events and the news of the President’s being shot.

Mr. Hubert. You comment therefore is that this report indicating that you had said to the FBI people that he was more shook up or probably more shook up than any of the other people, is not an accurate statement of what you expressed?