Mr. Hubert. I don’t know. There is an indication that you spoke to him on November 6 and that he is in Cleveland, Ohio?

Mr. Carlin. Yes—I don’t know him, but I do know I tried to call him. We were still trying to get a franchise on greeting cards from him.

Mr. Hubert. How did you obtain his number and name?

Mr. Carlin. This—I don’t remember either. It seems as though a salesman gave it to me.

Mr. Hubert. When was that—about?

Mr. Carlin. When did I call?

Mr. Hubert. Yes.

Mr. Carlin. When did I call?

Mr. Hubert. Yes.

Mr. Carlin. I just know it was in the morning some time. I don’t remember the date that I called. I also noticed that name on the receipt from the telephone company when I was giving it to the CPA.