Mr. Hubert. Who is Pat Kirkwood?
Mrs. Carlin. He owns the Cellar and I had already been threatened by him. My life had been threatened by him.
Mr. Hubert. Why did he do that?
Mrs. Carlin. Well, it was—he had some publicity people down there—television and cameras and so on, and we never got along too well because I told the police, the vice squad about him and identified some policemen that were being paid off by him and everything, and of course, he had so many friends he got out of it real easy, but then he hated me for what I had done.
Mr. Hubert. Was that before the President was shot?
Mrs. Carlin. Yes, that was before, and so after the President was shot, he found out what was going on and he called me on the telephone, and he says, “I want you down here in about 20 minutes,” and I said, “Kirkwood, I don’t want to have anything to do with you or your plans, just leave me alone.”
Mr. Hubert. That was after Oswald was shot?
Mrs. Carlin. Yes; after I went to court that first time, the bond hearing, I believe.
Mr. Hubert. Yes.
Mrs. Carlin. After I went to court, he says, “I want you down here,” and I said, “Well, I’m not coming down.” He called me back in about 20 minutes and he said, “Why aren’t you down here?” He said, “I’ll send a cab up after you.”