Mr. Hubert. There was no shotgun?
Mr. Fleming. No.
Mr. Hubert. You would have seen it had it been there, because you were seated in the passenger’s seat where it would normally be, next to where it would be?
Mr. Fleming. There were no guns in the truck.
Mr. Hubert. When you got to the Commerce Street entrance, what did you do?
Mr. Fleming. The truck was backed into——
Mr. Hubert. Did you get out?
Mr. Fleming. Not until the truck was backed into the spot where it was, where it stopped. I then got out of the passenger’s side, walked around the front, and went into the basement of the city hall.
Mr. Hubert. I think you said it was on that occasion that you noticed that it was impossible for you to go down between the truck and the Harwood Street side of the ramp wall?
Mr. Fleming. On the passenger’s side.