Mr. Hubert. Because there simply wasn’t enough space?

Mr. Fleming. That’s right.

Mr. Hubert. So you had to go around in front of the truck and down the driver’s side?

Mr. Fleming. That’s right.

Mr. Hubert. Who did you meet there?

Mr. Fleming. I don’t know who challenged me, but somebody in plain clothes asked me who I was, and I told him, and within a matter of seconds, Chief Batchelor and I met. I don’t know whether this gentleman took me to him, or he was there waiting for me.

Mr. Hubert. Well, before we go on from there, would you care to estimate the time of arrival in front of the building and before you started to back in?

Mr. Fleming. As I stated, I have no idea what the time was. It took us; it wouldn’t have taken us more than 5 minutes to get from the terminal to the city hall.

Mr. Hubert. You had no traffic problem?

Mr. Fleming. No traffic problems at all.