Mr. Griffin. Is he still living?
Mr. Rubenstein. No.
Mr. Griffin. Do you have some knowledge he is dead?
Mr. Rubenstein. Oh, no; we know he is dead.
Mr. Griffin. Did he have any family?
Mr. Rubenstein. Four children, two boys and two girls.
Mr. Griffin. I see. Had your family maintained any contact with the Rutland family?
Mr. Rubenstein. About as much as we maintained with Europe. We would see them occasionally when they would come through or during the war, the boys would pass through Chicago they would stop off and say hello, and if I were working west with the Plymouth Rubber Co. and I went to Denver I stayed there for a week. And then Rita left a trunk at our house one time in Chicago for a couple of years and it blocked up our closet and we asked her to remove it. That is the only connection.
Mr. Griffin. Rita is one of his daughters?
Mr. Rubenstein. Out on the west coast.