Mr. Griffin. Did Jack Ruby complain to you about the amateur nights that the Weinsteins were running?
Mr. Palmer. Continuously. He stated that he didn’t like to run them himself, but he had to in order to meet the competition. The other two brothers, the same thing.
Mr. Griffin. What did Jack ask you to do?
Mr. Palmer. He was constantly trying to have them disallowed by AGVA. According to the first directive I received in office, they were to be immediately discontinued.
However, I believe it was Abe Weinstein’s conversation, either in person or by phone—I have forgotten which—I had both with Irving Mazzie, that they were allowed to continue until clarification of the amateur shows could be had. I was instructed to allow them to continue. It was not indicated that it should be just simply for the Weinsteins, but also for Jack Ruby, and any other club that might be in my territory. I believe there was a club in Oklahoma that was also contemplating it. At that time there became an upset in our executive offices, and it was not clear to the people taking over whether they should adhere to the previous policies.
Mr. Griffin. When did this first order come out that there was to be no amateur nights?
Mr. Palmer. In October, I believe it was, originally.
Mr. Griffin. Of 1963 or 1962?
Mr. Palmer. 1962.
Mr. Griffin. 1962?