Mr. Palmer. Yes; I was. My New York office and my regional office were giving me conflicting orders.
Mr. Griffin. Irving Mazzie, I remember, was telling you to shut them down; is that right?
Mr. Palmer. He did not at first. The New York office told me to shut them down, and Irving Mazzie said give them time. And there was this banter back and forth on the west coast. They had, I think, the Pink Pussy Cat and the Body Shop, were continuing their amateur nights and Irving said to permit the clubs here to continue until they ceased on the west coast. Eventually they ceased on the west coast, but there was still this complete uncertainty, in my mind, about here, because he continued to permit me to permit them to have their amateur nights.
Mr. Griffin. Did you have any information that the Weinsteins were talking to Mr. Mazzie or Mr. Faye?
Mr. Palmer. Yes.
Mr. Griffin. So that while Jack Ruby was trying to persuade AGVA to shut the Weinsteins down as far as amateur night was concerned, the Weinsteins were talking to other people?
Mr. Palmer. Yes. As a matter of fact, perhaps it is my suggestion in fact, I forwarded a letter from Barney Weinstein to, I believe it was, Bobby Faye at that time. Yes, it was—concerning his part in the establishment of the amateur nights and that it was definitely a necessary thing for him to remain in business.
Mr. Griffin. Do you remember that on or about the 13th of November of 1963 after Ruby had contacted Bobby Faye, you sent out a letter to people in your district advising them that amateur nights were not permitted?
Mr. Palmer. That is correct.
Mr. Griffin. Now, after that letter was sent out, what did the Weinsteins do?