Mr. Griffin. Did there ever come a time when your mother was inattentive to the children, sloppy and so forth?

Mr. Rubenstein. Yes. There came a time when she felt very despondent, very disgusted, because she felt she had to keep up the job by herself taking care of the children, and she was unhappy, and so I think the family service suggested that she go to Elgin Sanitarium for a while.

Mr. Griffin. That was in the thirties, though, was it not?

Mr. Rubenstein. I don’t remember what year, but I know I went out to see her one time with my sister Marion, I drove her out there. It could have been the thirties and it could have been the twenties.

Mr. Griffin. But it was after you got out of high school.

Mr. Rubenstein. I don’t remember.

Mr. Griffin. How many children were born into the family?

Mr. Rubenstein. Nine.

Mr. Griffin. How many of them are now living?

Mr. Rubenstein. Eight.