Mr. Griffin. And one of them died as a young child?

Mr. Rubenstein. Yes.

Mr. Griffin. Where did the one who died come in the picture, in the age span of the children?

Mr. Rubenstein. I don’t know. It was a girl. She was about 5 years old, I think.

Mr. Griffin. How did she happen to die?

Mr. Rubenstein. She got burned. She tipped over a kettle of hot soup on herself. It was a very tragic incident in our family.

Mr. Griffin. Were you living at home at the time?

Mr. Rubenstein. I was a kid. I was only about 6 or 7 years old, I think.

Mr. Griffin. Was—it is clear to you that you were a child and you were not an adult when this happened?

Mr. Rubenstein. Oh, definitely.