Mr. Griffin. I take it you were not in a position to know Jack’s friends when Jack was a child.
Mr. Rubenstein. His friends were the fellows who loved life and go out and have a good time. His business associates were fellows who were hustlers and like to make money. So you put two and two together. You find good business associates who are hustlers, and you had to be, without much education, go out and make money, and in the evening you go out and you find the friends you like to spend it with. He never hung around with no hoodlums. We knew hoodlums, sure. If they come into a restaurant where you are, next to them you are sitting, “Hello, Hy,” “Hello, Joe.” What do you do, ignore them? You have known them all your life, you don’t ignore them.
Mr. Griffin. Kids from the neighborhood?
Mr. Rubenstein. Kids from the neighborhood.
Mr. Griffin. Do you have any people in mind?
Mr. Rubenstein. Wherever you lived on the west side there was a hoodlum or became a hoodlum who you went to school with, or you belonged to some club with, or maybe—let me give you another example or you played ball with them. You never knew. You never knew. They surprised you.
Mr. Griffin. Who were Jack’s closest friends before he went to Dallas?
Mr. Rubenstein. He was very popular, he had a lot of friends.
Mr. Griffin. Who were the people he was closest to?
Mr. Rubenstein. What age?