Mr. Griffin. Well, it sounds to me from what you are telling me that from the time Jack would have been 10 or 12; that is, 1921 or 1923, until he became an adult, there was no real father in the home?

Mrs. Kaminsky. That’s right, and even afterwards, I mean.

Mr. Griffin. Yes. So that all the boys really grew up without a father in the home——

Mrs. Kaminsky. Yes.

Mr. Griffin. Is that right? Does that seem accurate to you?

Mrs. Kaminsky. Yes.

Mr. Griffin. Have you had occasion to visit Jack in the period from the time he went to Dallas until he shot Lee Oswald?

Mrs. Kaminsky. Yes; I was out there twice.

Mr. Griffin. When were you there?

Mrs. Kaminsky. I was there this last August for the—the last 2 weeks in August with my children, and I was there the preceding year for a week and then Jack even stopped in Chicago last August, just a week I believe, before I went down there just between planes.