Mr. Griffin. Yes. How old are your children?
Mrs. Kaminsky. Eight and 11½.
Mr. Griffin. They are both girls?
Mrs. Kaminsky. Right.
Mr. Griffin. Now, the first time that you went down, why was it that you decided to stay with Jack rather than Eva or Sam?
Mrs. Kaminsky. Well, I—frankly, I was—felt closer to Jack. I mean Jack has always been wonderful to me and not that I used to go to him with problems, I never had such problems, but always has been very understanding, considerate, and I just thought it would be more to my liking to stay with him.
Mr. Griffin. Yes. Did you have a chance to meet any of his friends on that occasion?
Mrs. Kaminsky. Well, as a matter of fact, that week, this master of ceremonies who reads minds—I forget his name——
Mr. Griffin. Bill DeMar?
Mrs. Kaminsky. Yes. He was staying there, and I asked Jack what he was doing there and—this is Jack. He says—well, he says, “He needs the money to send to his wife and kids, so why should he pay a hotel room, so I let him stay here.” And Jack fed him, too, and he was staying there that week.