Mr. Griffin. Did anybody, was anybody else—let me ask you this. Did these conversations continue after you returned from military service?
Mr. Fehrenbach. Lawson Jaffe approached me one time after I returned from the service, and I can’t remember exactly how it all come about or what it was he said, but anyway he made some reference that I would have certainly looked a lot better in a good military uniform. He said, “You looked very, very silly in that Navy uniform.”
And that made me mad and I said, “Well, I suppose I should have been in the Russian Army or something.” I said, “That would have probably made you happier.” He said. “Well, you would have been on the right side of the fence at least.” And I said——
Mr. Griffin. Who was it who said this?
Mr. Fehrenbach. This was Lawson Jaffe. That was Sam’s nephew. I said, “That is your opinion,” and I said, “I will keep mine.”
Mr. Griffin. Was anybody else present during this conversation?
Mr. Fehrenbach. Yes; Sam was there.
Mr. Griffin. Sam Jaffe?
Mr. Fehrenbach. Yes.
Mr. Griffin. During the conversations and all the rest of the conversations that took place up in Jaffe’s——