Mr. Griffin. So you might have seen him a dozen times?

Mr. Fehrenbach. At least a dozen times.

Mr. Griffin. Now, on the occasions that they came from Chicago to Muncie, did they ever bring any friends with them?

Mr. Fehrenbach. Yes. There was, usually when they came down there was, anywhere from, Seymour and Charlotte, and then this Jack Rubenstein had come with them on three occasions that I know of.

Whether he had ever come any more than that I am not sure.

Then there was always—whether anybody else come with them or not I don’t know. Then, of course, there was this here blonde girl that this Jack Rubenstein, whether it was his wife or girl friend, who she was, I don’t know.

Now, those four used to be together all the time.

Mr. Griffin. Do you recall any other people?

Mr. Fehrenbach. I don’t recall any of the others that came down with them. This Seymour and this Jack Rubenstein it was my impression they were very good friends. They were both in show business or some kind of business there pertaining to entertainment.

Mr. Griffin. But there were other people who came down with Seymour?