Mr. Griffin. The next time he came in he spent the 2 hours with you?
Mr. Fehrenbach. The second time is when he spent the 2 hours, hour and a half with me when we went out to dinner.
Mr. Griffin. The second time. I see. The first time he came how much time did he spend?
Mr. Fehrenbach. The first time I can’t recall exactly how long he was there that first time. All I remember is I couldn’t actually say how long but there was several different ones came in.
Mr. Griffin. Well, now——
Mr. Fehrenbach. So he could have been there 15, 20 minutes, a half hour, maybe an hour, 2 hours.
Mr. Griffin. Were there other people who visited Sam Jaffe regularly from out of town?
Mr. Fehrenbach. No. The only ones I actually recall out of town that used to come up there was just his son-in-law, Seymour.
Mr. Griffin. You don’t know anybody else who visited him from out of town?
Mr. Fehrenbach. There were others who came in but I can’t recall any of their names and they never came regularly, I mean never long enough for me to be introduced or anything like that that I could actually place.