Mr. Griffin. I am asking you, Jack Rubenstein was only there on one occasion that you recall when they had a meeting?
Mr. Fehrenbach. Yes.
Mr. Griffin. All right. And my question to you is, do you ever recall that Mr. Jasser talked with Rubenstein?
Mr. Fehrenbach. Yes. Phil Jasser used to come up.
Mr. Griffin. But did he talk with Rubenstein on this one occasion?
Mr. Fehrenbach. I don’t know as he actually came up and talked to Jack Rubenstein personally but he would come up and him and Seymour and Rubenstein and Sam Jaffe were always in the same office and Lawson Jaffe.
Mr. Griffin. You say all would be, as if it happened a number of times but there was only one occasion when you mentioned that Rubenstein came in and you had any idea that there was a meeting afterward or there might have been a meeting afterward.
Mr. Fehrenbach. What I mean is when they would come up there to the office shortly after they would get there the rest of them would come in on various occasions. Usually when they came in they would spend anywhere from 1 to maybe 3 or 4 hours or maybe all afternoon in Sam’s office.
Mr. Griffin. But, you see, the first time you tell me that Rubenstein came he was only there for a short while, a couple of minutes, and the next time that he came you think he was around for a couple of hours, and the next time——
Mr. Fehrenbach. The next time he came in he was there quite awhile in the afternoon. This was when so many of them were in.