[A recess was taken.]
DR. KURT KAUFFMANN (Counsel for Defendant Kaltenbrunner): Mr. President; permit me to put only a few questions which refer to the Defendant Kaltenbrunner. Witness ...
THE PRESIDENT: Dr. Kauffmann, we are going to call the Witness Wielen afterwards. You realize that?
DR. KAUFFMANN: Yes.
THE PRESIDENT: But you want to ask this witness questions, don’t you?
DR. KAUFFMANN: The name Kaltenbrunner has been mentioned here, and I have only a few questions.
[Turning to the witness.] Witness, you mentioned a little earlier that you spoke with the Gestapo, and that you received no information from the Gestapo. Do you know with whom you spoke at that time?
WESTHOFF: No. The conferences with the Gestapo took place continuously. In cases when we missed prisoners of war and we did not know where they were, we continuously made inquiries at the Gestapo. But, on one occasion I was with Kaltenbrunner—namely, on the occasion of some other matter which had nothing to do with Allied prisoners of war—and since this occasion gave me the opportunity to talk to Herr Kaltenbrunner personally, I immediately brought the matter up for discussion and tried to have that order rescinded. Kaltenbrunner and Müller were present at the time.
DR. KAUFFMANN: Later on in Berlin after the Sagan case you talked to Kaltenbrunner personally?
WESTHOFF: Yes.