DR. KAUFFMANN: Was the Sagan case discussed there?
WESTHOFF: I talked about the Sagan matter there with Kaltenbrunner, and I expressly pointed out that this was an unbearable situation.
DR. KAUFFMANN: About how long after the Sagan case was that?
WESTHOFF: I cannot tell you that any more now; it may have been 4 weeks later.
DR. KAUFFMANN: What was Kaltenbrunner’s view on this problem? What did he tell you?
WESTHOFF: Kaltenbrunner himself said next to nothing to me, but rather Müller carried on the conversation, and I left without having been given either “yes” or “no.”
DR. KAUFFMANN: Was Müller also present during the second conference in Berlin?
WESTHOFF: I was in Berlin only once.
DR. KAUFFMANN: Wasn’t the subject of that conversation in any way the question as to how one was to form the prisoner of war system in the future?
WESTHOFF: No.